The Joker
6:12 Thu Feb 12
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A8,
We are where we are as a society. There is no banning of smoking now or for an extremely long time. Criminalising what has been a long accepted social behaviour isn't the way forward at all, although in an ideal world cigarettes would never have been legal and I fully support the smoking in public ban. My mrs smokes and she doesn't do it in the house - many guests are quite shocked she and they have to go outside for a fag, but she's happy to and so they have to be too (I'm an ex-smoker FWIW).
But then what about alcohol? At least smokers are generally only killing themselves (apart from Roy Castle!), whereas many more people are killed or injured requiring NHS treatment by the use BY OTHERS of alcohol.
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stewie griffin
6:10 Thu Feb 12
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You should smell your tea breath, son.
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One McAvennieeeeee
6:09 Thu Feb 12
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Disgusting habit and the smell is fucking awful.
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stewie griffin
6:08 Thu Feb 12
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Not sure what that link is trying to prove, 8, other than my point in a different way?
Fwiw, I got my figures from Government websites and the national office of statistics, which I'm happy to run with.
Now, the multi-billion shortfall...where does it get made up from? As I said at teh start of the thread, I'd love to see all everyone getting all areas of their lives taxed to make up for it.
But in truth, banning smoking is a gimmicky soundbyte that politicians will make every now and then, but wouldn't ever do, because to make up that shortfall would mean introducing taxes to other areas that would lose them far more votes than banning smoking would ever win them.
Pointless argument.
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Cheezey Bell-End
6:04 Thu Feb 12
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I wouldn't ban it, but Id control it to the extent that cigarette sales die out when the current generation of smokers does.
I also like this plain packaging proposal. Not least because the tobacco industry opposes it.
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Big Dave
6:02 Thu Feb 12
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The food lobby is pretty powerful - I would be surprised to see sugar taxed any time soon.
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After8
6:02 Thu Feb 12
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Hold on joker, I'm not saying don't treat people at all! Im saying we should ban the cause of those people's health issues.
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After8
6:01 Thu Feb 12
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https://fullfact.org/factchecks/does_smoking_cost_as_much_as_it_makes_for_the_treasury-29288
There's probably a short fall. Fine. Make it up by taxing sugar.
It's time we all got healthier.
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Big Dave
6:00 Thu Feb 12
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He's suggested banning smoking not banning the treatment of illnesses caused by smoking.
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The Joker
5:55 Thu Feb 12
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We should also stop all treatments for what Chris Morris called bad AIDS too then A8. Jokes aside, contracting HIV from intravenous drug use or a sexual act is wholly avoidable, so by your logic they shouldn't be treated either.
Alternately we could just let people live their fucking lives and stop being nasty, selfish, little bean counters trying to discount everything that we feel superior to and just fucking pay for the NHS and care for all members of our society as and when needed. That would be much more civilised.
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stewie griffin
5:52 Thu Feb 12
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After8 5:43 Thu Feb 12
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Id ban it in a heart beat. The NHS is under significant pressure.
The tobacco industry raises £18.7 billion. Given that tax on cigarettes is now at 77%, that equates to approximately £14 billion into the Government coffers.
Given that treatment of smoking rekated illness is estimated to cost the NHS approximately £2 billion, let's be absolutely honest here, and say you wouldn't ban it in a heartbeat. Nor would anyone else.
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,
5:46 Thu Feb 12
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What a spoilsport you seem.
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defjam
5:44 Thu Feb 12
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joker - ag ag ag!
On the upside they still buy booze! *Kerching*
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After8
5:43 Thu Feb 12
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Id ban it in a heart beat. The NHS is under significant pressure. We have to live healthier lives.
I'd tax sugar too. And fatty foods. And McDonald's.
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The Joker
5:42 Thu Feb 12
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Defjam 5:39 Thu Feb 12
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None of my business mate, but that's no way to run a successful cornershop.
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stewie griffin
5:41 Thu Feb 12
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They do look hard & cool, so I think they prove their point quite well
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defjam
5:39 Thu Feb 12
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'Kids these days don't smoke like in older generations. It's very unfashionable to smoke these days'
Not true.
It's the same as it ever was...theres always school kids smoking on their way home from school to try and prove how hard they are or cool.
Theres always kids outside the local shops waiting for people to buy them cigarettes which people still do.
I used to ask them why they want lung cancer and deprive their lungs of oxygen, smell and waste thousands on something that has no positive attributes whatsoever.
They don't ask me anymore!
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Russ of the BML
5:32 Thu Feb 12
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kylay 4:54 Thu Feb 12
Kids these days don't smoke like in older generations. It's very unfashionable to smoke these days so not something the kids will take up in their droves like when I was a kid.
I think it's down to the parents to tell the kids how harmful it is. But kids will go there own way anyway. You can't bloody protect everyone.
I mean, what next....Ban alcohol?
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Gavros
4:58 Thu Feb 12
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What if they want to smoke D'ERB Bolt0?
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LAD
4:56 Thu Feb 12
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What a stupid idea.
If people wish to smoke, let them.
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kylay
4:54 Thu Feb 12
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Russ of the BML 4:50 Thu Feb 12
don't think it's the smokers they're worried about. it's the folks who haven't started yet. I smoked for 17 years mind, and I think they should be banned as well. Easily one of the most addicted substances on earth. The only other alternative I see is making tobacco companies pay for treatment for anyone who wants to quit.
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